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High Tension

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Ben
18.06.2005 - 15:02 Uhr
Hab gestern den Film gesehen, nachdem überall zu lesen war, wie gut der doch sei. Irgendwie kann ich den Hype um diesen Film nicht nachvollziehen, kann mir einer helfen?
Die Handlung und vor allem das Ende ist so dermaßen haarsträubend, dass das sogar für einen Splatterfilm unter aller Sau ist.

*Achtung Spoiler!*
Zudem ist die Geschichte mit der Schizophrenie so langsam wirklich ausgelutscht. So langsam stellt man sich darauf ja geradezu ein.
*Achtung Spoiler!*

Das Einzige, was der Film wirklich gut kann, ist zu schocken. Hab ihn in der "Uncut Version" gesehen und ich muss sagen, dass manche Szenen wirklich nur sehr schwer erträglich sind.
Pjotr
18.06.2005 - 15:22 Uhr
Ich könnte das alles genau so unterschreiben. Mies.
Patte
02.05.2009 - 20:20 Uhr
Bis auf den Twist und die wirklich üble Gewalt, ein edler Horrorstreifen. Hab ihn nun auch schon mehrere Jahre nicht mehr gesehen.
Leatherface
02.05.2009 - 20:22 Uhr
Und deswegen musstest du den Thread wieder hoch holen.;-)
Obrac
02.05.2009 - 20:23 Uhr
Mittelmäßig. Höchstens die ersten 20 Minuten wissen zu überzeugen. Der Twist ist in der Tat so 08/15 und zudem so unglaubwürdig, dass es bei mir nur zu einer 5,5/10 reicht.
The MACHINA of God
02.05.2009 - 20:41 Uhr
Komischer Film, das stimmt.
John
02.05.2009 - 20:46 Uhr
@the machina of god

Komischer Typ, das stimmt.
The MACHINA of God
02.05.2009 - 20:52 Uhr
Total lustig, das stimmt.
markus
03.05.2009 - 11:04 Uhr
gibt es aktuelle gute Horrorstreifen?
floesn
03.05.2009 - 11:23 Uhr
Nicht so richtig Horror, aber durchaus gut: das Waisenhaus. Thread sollte hier auch recht weit oben zu finden sein. Hab den vor einem halben Jahr gesehen und muss sagen, dass ich den wirklich gut gemacht fand.
toolshed
16.01.2010 - 04:59 Uhr
Ich find ihn ganz gut. Durchaus spannend und auch sehenswert. Die 180°-Drehung im Laufe der Handlung ist ein echter Clou. 7/10.
klumf
13.02.2011 - 03:57 Uhr
sorry, aber das teil ist doch totaler schro-tt. miese, billige effekte, die die (gut gemeinte) gewalt dermaßen lächerlich erscheinen lassen, schlechte schauspieler, keine atmosphäre, du.mmbatzige story und eine wendung, die so dermaßen bei den haaren herbeigezogen ist, dass... also sorry, aber ich hab echt kein verständnis für, wie man das teil "sehenswert", "gut gemacht" oder gar "spannend" finden kann. da is ja jeder 08/15-tee.nie-slasher packender.

13.02.2011 - 04:43 Uhr
naja, jeder teenie-slasher nun auch wieder nicht, aber schon einige.
viel kann dieser film wirklich nicht. 5/10 wenn man sehr optimistisch ist.
klumf
13.02.2011 - 13:43 Uhr
ja, gut, das war zugegebenermaßen vielleicht übertrieben...

5/10 finde ich wirklich schon sehr gnädig. echt eine herbe enttäuschung. ich frage mich, wie ein objektiv handwerklich schlecht gemachter film so einen guten ruf haben kann.

13.02.2011 - 15:37 Uhr
da gibts noch viel schlechtere mit besseren rüfen!! die meisten zuschauer schauen auch einfach nicht richtig hin oder sind zu doof. so einfach ist das!
Castorp
13.04.2012 - 21:17 Uhr
*push*
dódeI
13.04.2012 - 21:33 Uhr
wir wurd er auch empfohlen. vom betreiber einer horrorfilm-inetseite, von daher dacht ich der wird gut.

ab der hälfte hab ich mir schon gedacht: was soll das alles? die auflösung ist aus filmen wie fight club geklaut, und ich frage mich wie die verfolgungsjagd im film rein logisch funktionieren soll?!?
Castorp
10.08.2012 - 23:15 Uhr
Immer noch klasse!
Castorp
11.08.2012 - 15:30 Uhr
Insbesondere die Stelle mit meinem Lieblings-Muse-Song "Newborn". (zu der Zeit waren Muse noch gut, naja...)

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29.02.2016 - 13:22 Uhr
Letztens gesehen und für sehr großartig befunden. Hier (und nicht nur hier) wird von Kritikern fast schon ausschließlich der Plottwist in die Mangel genommen und für komplett abwegig erklärt. Das Aja sich wohl weit mehr dabei dachte, als er diesen harten Psychothriller drehte, hat ein aufmerksamer Imdb-User in einer umfassenden Aufarbeitung sehr gut zusammengestellt und damit wohl die wichtigsten Fragen zum Film beantwortet. Das hier gnadenlos gespoilert wird, dürfte klar sein.


THE MAGIC WORDS: I believe that the most important line in the film will have to be at the very beginning when Marie is seen in the mental hospital, repeating that chilling phrase, "I won't let anyone come between us anymore". But when the camera pans up to the back of her head, you can see a blurry image of a video CAMERA in front of her. Then she says those magic words, "Are they recording?", and it instantly goes to her dream sequence.

"Are they recording?" like I said, has to be the most important line in the film in order for you to understand the ending, because someone is obviously interogating her, asking her what happened from what she saw. So that would mean that the entire movie, from her dream sequence all the way to the end of the film, is being told from HER point of view, and how she herself saw everything. This is going to be a major importance to the film, because it's going to show the difference between the reality of the film and the non-reality.


TWO VEHICLES, BUT ONE KILLER?: It's time for the theory on Marie being chased by a killer while she's driving the yellow car and the killer is on her tail. Once again, this is going to reffer back to the "MAGIC WORDS" section of this thread. The killer is a split personality of Marie, but she's forming a view of herself being chased by the killer. In reality, she's in the killer's vehicle, and she isn't chasing anybody. She's only assuming that she's being chased, because that's how she saw everything. There was no yellow car flipping over. Marie only put herself in that position, making her think that she was inside the car, and that she was in the wreck. All the burns she got was only in her mind.


THE JIMMY THEORY: Once again, this is going to reffer to the "MAGIC WORDS" section. Marie SAW Jimmy getting killed by the killer, but it was obviously her. She SAW Jimmy panicking after she told him to call the cops, and she saw Jimmy winking at her, hinting that he'll call the police. But in reality, that's only a vision in her head. She could've done everything the killer did in the scenerio from wearing the sunglasses to getting Jimmy tense. Although, since Jimmy and Marie were the only ones in the store, there was no one distracting Jimmy. He was only trying to focus on saving himself. He didn't see any female come into the store in panic, asking him to call the cops. That only existed in Marie's mind.


WHERE DID THE TRUCK COME FROM?: Once again, the truck is only an image in Marie's head. The truck didn't exist. Marie thought it did, but in reality, there was no truck. One theory would be that the "truck" is actually the car that Marie and Alex drove in. Marie only visioned it as a truck, because her split personality was taking control of her. OR...before the killing started, maybe the truck was real? MAYBE, she found an abandoned truck when she went to smoke outside, hotwired it, and used it. I know it sounds too far fetched, but you never know. Because remember, Alex's family lives out in the country. It wouldn't surprise me if there was an abandoned truck out there.

But back to the car being the "truck". Marie could've stuffed Alex in the trunk of the car, and since her split personality was getting the best of her, she saw the trunk to be as a rusted old inside of a truck. When we see her and Alex riding in the back of the "truck", that could just be another vision in Marie's mind. She's THINKING that she's really back there with Alex, but she's actually driving the "truck".


WAS MARIE'S MASTURBATION SCENE REALLY NECESSARY?: Yes, that scene was absolutely necessary for the plot. It gives an explanation on the exact time when the killer becomes Marie's split personality. This will also lead to a hint that Marie is a lesbian. Think of Marie masturbating just moments after watching Alex naked in the shower. At the beginning, we see that Marie has drawn an interest towards Alex, but it's not official if it's on a love or friendship level yet. Then, when the movie rolls on, we get into conversations between Alex and Marie about Alex seeing men who aren't single, thus upsetting Marie (Implying that she worries about Alex that she might get into some wrong habits. So ok, there's nothing wrong with caring for your friend). But when Marie sees Alex in the shower and doesn't look away, NOW it's obvious that she has some obsession for her friend, also if she masturbates right after that.

Now, this is where the killer becomes apart of Marie. Notice that Marie's obsession for Alex sort of gives her a violent side, such as she wants her, but she knows she can't have her. Now, when she masturbates in the bed, notice that the killer is coming closer to the house in the truck. The more Marie masturbates to her obsession with Alex, the closer the killer is getting to the house. It's like Marie's violent side and rage for her love for Alex is building up inside of her. So when the killer is getting closer to the house, that's meaning that the killer inside Marie is getting closer and closer to becoming apart of her. Then when she climaxes, the killer is officially apart of Marie, and that's why he's outside the front door at that exact moment.

But now think about this, what if Marie never did go back inside after having a smoke outside? Because now this theory would draw some confusion as saying, "Well how can she be in the bed and outside of the house at the same time?" It's possible that the moment Marie saw Alex in the shower, she could've masturbated right there on the spot. Since her split personality was devoloping, she was only THINKING that she was upstairs masturbation, but she was really outside, leading up to the killings. Because we know the killer was outside of the front door when he slashes Alex's fathers face. Marie could've just stayed outside, and only think that she was upstairs. Also when she's outside, she could use this time to put the brick saw into the vehicle (refer to "WHERE DID THE BRICK SAW COME FROM?" section), and THEN start the brutality to the family.


THE SHOTGUN: We see the killer grab a shotgun from the back of the "truck", and used it to hunt down Alex's brother. Though the "truck" wasn't real, the shotgun was. Remember, a shotgun hanging on a wall in the house is clearly visible when Marie goes outside to have a smoke. She looks through the window just before the father goes to bed.

While her split personality is getting the best of her, she never did comfort Alex in the upstairs bedroom and watch the brother get shot in the cornfield. Because she was the one who shot him. She only thought that she was upstairs with Alex, but she was the one who shot the brother, and her comforting Alex never took place.


DID MARIE KNOW JIMMY FROM BEFORE? Question: "How did the killer (Marie) know Jimmy's name? She just starts calling him by his name as if she knows him from before. What's with that?"

Answer: Jimmy has a nametag on the right side of his shirt. NEXT QUESTION!


WHAT'S WITH MARIE FIGHTING THE KILLER?: The only thing I can say about this, is that it's Marie trying to fight off her alter ego. The killer in fact did exist. He existed inside Marie. The whole sequence with Marie fighting the killer is implying that she's desperate to get rid of her alter ego, the monster that's inside of her, the killer. We see that she DID succeed in killing her alter ego, but not for long, as the killer in her came back after Alex stabbed her with a knife. She turned violent again, and that was showing the audience that the killer inside of Marie isn't dead yet. And that's what leads up to the chainsaw chase scene.


WHERE DID THE CUTS COME FROM?: This is a big theory right here. We see Marie at the end of the movie in the mental hospital with cuts and bruises all over here. It's making people think, "If Marie and the killer are the same person, then how did she have those cuts at the end?"...

This goes back to the "WHAT'S WITH MARIE FIGHTING THE KILLER?" section. Once again, the killer only exists inside Marie. And since the killer is only her alter ego, she obviously gave those cuts and bruises to herself, because like I said, the killer existed inside HER. It's showing us how crazy she is, giving herself those cuts. As she fights the killer, she's fighting herself, thus, injuring herself.


WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH THE SURVIELLENCE CAMERA? When the police arrive at the gas station, we see Marie is the one killing Jimmy. But, people are complaining on how this is apart of Marie's mind, because she's telling the story. Marie obviously didn't see the video, and this is the point where we find out the truth between reality and Marie's mind.

Think of it this way...Marie is finishing up her story, such as "I beat the killer's head in with a pole wrapped up in barbed wire. I thought he was dead, but he tried to choke me, so I suffocated him with plastic. Then I screamed. (etc.etc.)" Now, after that, think about this...while Marie is finishing up with that portion of her story, think of the cop who saw the tape is outside of the room, and KNOWS that she's lying, because he's the one whose seen the tape. He could be showing the interrogator the tape while Marie is finishing up her story, kind of like this, "She's lying. The only killer that massacred that poor girl's family and the gas station clerk is her. Here, take a look at this tape from the gas station if you don't believe me." That's what the whole scene could POSSIBLY represent (I'm not saying that it is, it's just a theory). It's showing the audience the outside of Marie's mind, which is reality. It's showing us that things are not as they may seem, and that Marie's story is not coming together with what REALLY happened.

I believe that the filmakers chose to put that scene in there before the chainsaw chase scene, because it's the perfect place for it to all come together. The movie relied on it being there. Because it would draw total confusion when Marie suddenly disappears, and the killer is back (Remember, it goes back and forth between "The Killer" and Marie during the chase scene). So we needed that part of the movie there so we could understand that it was all her, and that she acted alone. The video footage was showing US reality.


WHERE DID THE BRICK SAW COME FROM?: This is only a theory, but there's a big possibility that Marie found the brick saw around the house, maybe even a basement, and stuffed it into the "truck" before the killing stared. Because remember, Alex tells Marie that the house her family lives in used to be an old farm house that her father RENOVATED. It's possible he could use a brick saw for renovation.


THE INFAMOUS SEVERED HEAD-LOVE SCENE: Finally, we're down to our last theory...*Dun Dun Dun*...the head love scene. Though, this has NOTHING to do with the plot whatsoever, it's only showing us, the audience, how sick and demented Marie's head really is. This is where the killer in her is born. She created him, inside her, and even gave him and occupation, which would be murdering young females. Though the head love scene never HAPPENED in reality, the only significance for that scene would show us how violent Marie's character is, and that there's something we don't know about her until the movie gets to the twist. Like I said, it's only there so that we know that Marie is CRAZED with F up images in her head!


WAS THE TWIST REALLY NECESSARY? Yes, absolutely. Aja's main focus on the film was to have as much tension as it could. And the last 10 minutes, the twist, had the most tenseful stuff in the entire film. People just don't see it. They watch it ONE time and be like, "Oh, that was gay. Too many plot holes." Even though they never watch it a second time and pick up on stuff they didn't notice before. Seriously folks, I felt the exact same way you all felt. I loved the movie, but the twist didn't work for me. It left some questions unexplained, and I thought it was overused. But you know what I did? *DUN DUN DUN* I watched it a second time! Simple isn't it? Then on, I picked up on things I didn't notice at first from each viewing. It all came together, making me say to myself, "Oh, now I get it!" Now I love the twist, because it fits the film very well with it's last tenseful minutes. Would it end better if Marie killed the killer and then went home? Nope. Lame. It needed something for an extra touch, and that's what the twist did. Alot of you just don't see it. As for it being "cliched", I do recall this movie originally coming out in 2003. Even though two other movies (starring an actor who had SCISSORHANDS in the past, and an actor whose a legend in crime movies) came out after that (2004 and 2005) that had the same twist. And yet, a lot of you rag on this for making it sound like THIS movie is responsible for making that kind of twist a trend. If you want to blame a movie about this kind of twist and holding it responsible, then blame those two other movies that came out after it in 2004 and 2005, NOT this one. Although, even if it was overused, the twist in this movie actually worked. This one got it right. This multiple personality twist had the biggest impact on me since "Fight Club". There you go.


THE OTHER LOGICAL TWIST: Aside from this theory, there is another theory going around, that maybe Marie didn't know Alex at all. I can see that this could be true, cause it could explain where everything came from. It could mean that maybe Marie only met Alex for a moment some time in the past, and then immediately formed an obsession for her in her psychotic mind. Then, she only thinks that she was friends with Alex, visting her parents with her on a weekend. But it's possible that Marie never came on the trip with Alex. She would've followed her with the truck. In her mind, she's developing that she does know her, and that they're friends. This could also work when it comes to the twist. But, however, you need to know the reactions involved between different characters in the film. Remember the reaction of the mother when she first sees the killer? She never screams, just backs away in fear. This is the only downpart of this theory that I don't really agree on, because of the mother's reaction. Her reaction is some sort of a confused reaction, like why is Alex's friend killing anybody? Because if she never met Marie, then her reaction would be different. But a moment in time, after Marie arrived with Alex, they could've been introduced, even though it was never shown. So now, we get the mother's reaction of, "This girl I met just killed my husband, oh my God!". But the rest, I can see it to be very logical.



CLUES LEADING TO THE TWIST:
*When Marie awakes from her dream, she tells Alex that she was alone, but it was herself running from herself.

*The back of Marie's shirt reads "Audaces Solum", which is a Latin phrase roughly translated as "Boldy Alone", which alludes how Marie committed the murders.

*When Marie first meets Alex's father, you hear the dog, Hendrix, growl at Marie. Hinting that there's something up with her that the dog doesn't like.

*When Marie tries to calm down Alex several times, Alex backs away in fear and cries out loud (Though these never happened in reality, it's only hinting to the audience about Marie's true identity).

*When Alex's mother is murdered, we see Marie go up to her body. Though she isn't dead YET, she says something to Marie. Although, it's not a survival phrase such as "Help Alex" or "Save yourself", but instead, she says "Why me?". Viewers ambiguously mistake the mother to say this out loud to no one in particular, but most likely she asks this question directly to Marie before she dies, because Marie was the one who really killed her.

*When Marie is descending the stairs from her room we see a shot of her bare feet as she is climbing down the stairs. The soles of her feet are bloody just like the killer's boots.

*During the chase scene, we get a shot of Marie stepping on the pedals in the yellow car. The pedals are bloody. (Though the chase scene didn't happen in reality, it's only a clue to the audience)

*Both Marie and the killer are smokers.

*When Marie goes outside for a smoke, she puts on her hoodie and sits on the swing. When she's sitting on the swing, we see her hoodie fold over her eyes, just barely showing us her entire face. This is similar to the killer, who is always seen with his baseball cap covering half of his face when he's doing the killing to the family. Just when you think his entire face is going to be shown, it's either covered by a shadow or by his hat.

*After realizing there's no phone outlet, Marie stares at a doll with a crack down its face, a symbol that a change of personalities or split has occured.

*The shot of the killers hands dispensing the bullets out the window are female hands (Even though this never happened in reality, it's just a clue to the audience. REFFER TO "TWO VEHICLES BUT ONE KILLER?" SECTION)

*When Marie is in the bathroom at the gas station, we see her go to a sink and run her face under cold water after the killer leaves. The camera follows her to the sink, and back up to her looking into the mirror. If you listen to the music when she looks into the mirror after washing her face, you here a creepy tune suddenly pop up. Alot of times in slasher films, when a person looks into a mirror, the killer is usually standing behind him/her, ready to attack. But since Marie is in fact the killer, she's seen looking at herself in the mirror, the killer.

*Marie strikes the killer in the exact same place she received her head injury in the car. (Even though the car wreck didn't exist. She gave the bruise to herself. REFFER TO "WHERE DID THE CUTS COME FROM?" SECTION)

*The killer is aware of Alex's name, as he asks Marie "Why do you care so much about Alex?"

*When Marie goes up to her room after watching Alex in the shower, she lays down and listens to the reggae artist, U-Roy. Listen to the lyrics of the song. They are saying, "Just another girl, that's what you are."

*The UNRATED DVD cover gives a clue, the one with Marie holding the chainsaw. Notice the slash across Marie's face, how it implies to her multiple personalities. Also, notice that one half of her body is clean, and the other half is bloody.

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